my dear friend,
would you like to be an alien in your own domain? would you like to be dominated or called chinkys,bahadur like in plains? would you like to be whistled at?
if your answer in "not", then you are probably like me....well i am not being communal here but i just want to protect our people from bullied in the future.
if you wish to stop this from happening in the future then try to do something about it....eg.. lets put an ultimatum to our cm and ask his intervention into the matter...
please do give it a thought and i am open for criticism as well.
i love sikkim

would you please tell us what exactly happen? got to be some reason for this!

Hello there.!

Even my answer is "no" But what can we do about it??? I have been to places and have seen pairs of eyes staring at us as if we are from Mars... I have lived with it from the day I muvd out of Sikkim.Tired of this now. It doesn't affect me anymore... But what about our younger generation... What about the future..Will we be treated like aliens always???? Can't we really do sumthin about it??

yep, even I've faced itt and to tell you the truth it sucks!! like i mean what the hell they think about themselves, i dont consider myself inferior to them in any ways, so why do we have to feel it. and why do we care about some indians who themselves looks like transferred from some third world cournty. No doubt, india is one of the most racist country in all over the universe and they expect equality from the world,. remember jade goody,lol.. but its just in india..,. i just wanna get hell outta this place,..

when you just enter sikkim from rangpo, does it at all feel like coming home? it was not like this a decade back. look at singtam, mg marg, lal market etc. is this what we want for our younger generation.
and with the flood situation in bihar at the worst, we can expect another huge influx into our state. mark my word....
i am not asking anyone to act like they did in assam, maharashtra....but they atleast stood up for their people and managed to atleast stop migrant from coming to their respective state
least we can do is file a petition asking cms intervention into the matter and ask good soul to stop further penetration.
lets hope for the best.
i love sikkim

I dont think you're going to like what I'm going to say so apologies in advance.

Yes, I have been called a chinky and whistled at by these so-called perverts of our society when I've been outside the state. I agree that most of these people who indulge in such habits are cretins of the lowest kind and bring shame to our culture and country.

But I wonder why there is this tide of strong anti non-Sikkimese sentiments so rampant which says WE are superior to them. After all, even we as citizens of India have taken ample opportunity in terms of educations, jobs and a better life outside the state. Then why stop anyone from doing the same in Sikkim?

The government of Sikkim has already secured us by providing a certificate of Identification and we all know that govt jobs are accessible only to those holding a COI. Even most govt undertakings prefer to hire local people wherever possible.

What about people like Bhaichung Bhutia, Danny Denzongpa, Karma Paljor of CNN-IBN and thousands of other professionals opting to live and work in the various metros of the country? What made them leave our blissful state and struggle for life outside Sikkim that we know for sure isnt as laidback and cosy as home in the first place? Shouldnt the local people there too protest against their working there by hailing them "immigrants" and shooing them away?

So why should we do that here?

Yes, I feel more secure after crossing Rangpo. Yes, I feel our people are far more civilized and tolerant and accommodating than others. Yes, the people from outside may disturb our peace and harmony.

But the point of self complacency has long gone past. Why should we feel worried about non locals snatching our jobs when we ourselves are unemployed by the dozen?

Forgive me for not being able to sign the petition. I evidently believe differently and I'm sure I'm one of the very few people to do so. I dont want to create an un-necessary argument in any case. I'm just voicing my opinion that we should live and let live.

hello rinchen,
thank you for your reply. it was really presented well and i really appreciate your outlook. but i still beg to differ.
yes i agree we have our people going outside of sikkim for better work opportunity since sikkim is not so exposed. but let me present you with this fact that only the educated lot go outside of sikkim for a better job. where as in the case of non sikkemese here, it is every tom,dick and harry pouring in. forget all this and just try to calculate the ratio of both the parties working in and outside of sikkim and you will come to know.be a judge yourself.
and when you mentioned the name of bhaichung,please there's no comparison between a national hero and a general public. bhaichung has given so much to this country rather a other way round.
it is a ticking time bomb and if not stopped in time..may lead to disaster. if you still don't believe me,wait until next decade.
have a good day and lets be practical.
reply is awaited.

Hahaha... reply awaited, huh?

I have to go and get some other (read) more productive work done. Like cook dinner. So, maybe some other time, yeah?

reply awaited.......
i want my reply:cry:

hello once again to rinchen,
what are you cooking? if it's dero and gundruk ko zol then do invite me.

Hi there..
Thinlay...topic u brought here is worth discussing...!
It wud be so immature to say stop immigrating to Sikkim BUt we can always insist on quality immigration to state..such as good tourists,cultural researchers ,students,and many people who are genuinely want to appreciate Sikkim in various levels and depths.

i do agree places like Singtam n Rangpo is full of bad examples..(0 + 0)..lol kind of Chota Bihar..Once Bihari jagran Manch (which still existin Rangpo) was mugged/ beaten post election by our local party youth wing ..So afterthat they don't make much noise..lol

What I strongly feel is that business people of Sikkim sud have some social responsibility towards Sikkim rather than profit maximization and expanding business by bringing their nephews..n far relatives..

Strong education can bring a big changes to people like those uneducated migrants as well as you n me...and consequently it will reflect good upon State's profile!

I dont know how to support this . . It ll certainly mean communal to stop other immigrants from our state . . Even thinking of any kind of solution to this leads to more problems ahead . .
i have been concerned since the sikkim govt opened up for other companies . . My friends and me still debate on it . . My stand was the same as in here . . Influx vs development . . Now if we want to stop them we can do it certainly . . Only thing that it ll bring anti sikkimese feelings to them . . Though its persistant in most parts of the country . . It ll get more highlighted . .
Some sort of taxing should be there or issue of work permit . . then again i feel it ll be misused and give rise to more corruption . . How do u want to stop this . . Even writing some petition wont help . . Just remember the year long fasters . . I really dont believe how much moved our govt was then and how ll this petition ever make a stir in their minds . .
Sorry i find very hard to understand the glass is half full . . :) :) :) lol

it's so good to see so many fellow sikkemese friend having a say here.
but i still remain adamant. but i do agree on some point made in this forum as
1. quality influx into our state( which already exist, do visit our government office and you will find the top official from plains,not to mention private sector).
2. cultural exchange

no one could stop evolution of human race neither can anyone stop a state from developing and neither i am being communal. it has nothing to do with the influx problem we're having. i am just worried that we are in the verge of extinction in our own land...and the day will come when we will even have cm of plains origin...do you really want this?
give it a thought.

Recently, in our neighbor kalimpong there was 14 vacant post in SIB, which could be filled with local youths, but.. did you know 6000+ bengali friends came to kalimpong to sit for that interview...
well at least that's not the case in Sikkim. Immigrants in Sikkim are usually in private sectors, so as long as we have something that protects us, we are not going to extinct..!

Sure, lets be practical Thinlay. Do you know who were the original inhabitants of Sikkim years back? Out of the Lepchas, Bhutias and Nepalis, more than one tribe was considered 'immigrant' at different periods of time.

Cut to the present, the 'plains-men' you're talking about are now the Immigrants! Even when we have a judicial system that verifies the origin of the people of Sikkim, we're still so insecure of the outsiders. Why?

I believe a word better than 'communal' is - Racist. And if every race, community and religion started fighting for supremacy, we all would be mini versions of Hitler and have our own genocide camps to counter this issue.

Lets be practical. Take a long, hard look at the culture around us. Inter caste marriages have ensured that the surname gets carried on only for name's sake. National integration is taking place whether one likes it or not.

As for who's the next CM, I believe the colour of one's skin is not the standard by which a state's leader is chosen. As long as he or she is educated enough to have a vision to take our state to the next level of prosperity, that is okay by me.

Your move.

well said rinchen but i am still here standing for my people.
your thoughts are good and i really appreciate it but it can't be applied everywhere. sometimes it is as good as your ear.
you must have read todays telegraph. there's article relating about the recent turmoil in kashmire.
the chaos was triggered by a mere transfer of 40 hectres of land to the amarnath shrine board.this was how it was presented but in reality the kashmere people were afraid of the demographic changes it could bring into their society and their culture. even in tibet,china changed tibet's demography by settling han chinese there in large number.
as of now i am just insisting on stopping the influx, i have never said we should flush out all those who have already settled in sikkim. but if we carry on like this the day will surely come when you will see our younger generation acting the same way like they did in guwahati and maharashtra. this is bound to happen if our attitude remain this way. i am not saying this is the right way and i don't justify such act at all.
regarding the cm....i think you are day dreaming anil kapoor of movie nayak.
this is reality.
you please

Thats really noble of you to stand for "our" people. But I think most of them are educated enough to see the good side. I agree that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and thankfully we still live in a democracy where we can voice our opinions freely and without fear.

Like I said before, race, community and religion are sensitive issues that need to be tackled delicately. Respect for all sides must be maintained.

You were the one to bring up the CM issue, not me. Plus, I'm afraid I'm not a Bollywood fan like you so I dont see Anil Kapoor as my daytime hero

hi thinley kuzujangpo..i appreciate ur concern abt the influx..it really has become a problem these days....its a matter for us as well to be cautious of..i can understand the amount of discrimination that the people of mongoloid face have outside sikkim...and ya ur concern is well reasoned ...
there was a joke by our former chief nar bahadur bhandari and i would like to share it to u today...he said," bhitra baata aako manchay chai tapailay roknu parcha,bairaa baata aako manchey chai hami rokchau"..thats crystal clear that the government has to take an initiative in this matter....if it really is concerned abt the people of sikkim...thuchee

i do feel that look 100 years back what was the community compositions of Sikkim: Lepcha, Bhutia and Nepali and today i see its the fourth community that's getting heavier to the original inhabitants.
When i was a journalist in one of my visit to NHPC i was told " Hum hai to Singtam hai..warna Singtam kya tha", was it worth not determining that we were over shadowed. i heard when NHPC was started our CM told that this work would solve some amount of unemployment but so far i do not see people from our place in higher posts except couple of instance.
After watching this i do feel that its high time that we should re-think our so-called soft nature.

rinchen..first of all, education doesn't always mean "knowledge." i hope it answers your post to some extent.
with the continue flow of influx comes a crime..i hope rinchen is prepared for all this...i don't think i have to mention all the crime committed. before i read in some caption that "murder is unknown in sikkim," now its no longer valid.
maan dukh cha baini..
you labeled me with the tag "racist," sadly you are wrong here again. it is the other way round.
when gorkhaland issue came up two months back many sikkimese people got thrashed in siliguri as well, our women were molested publicly and they had to seek police protection, they could not come to sikkim. imagine their plight and when the peace was finally restored and rioter arrested,there were hundred of bengali lawyer who volunteered to fight the case for free of charge in favor of roiter. on top of that they were honored with garlands when they managed bail. has this things happened to you or your dear ones, what would have been your stand today? manche ho..man dukh cha baini. this can be the true example of racist.
do you really think we are treated like an indian once we cross siliguri? i studied in du and someother state as well and sadly my answer is "no." national integrity doesn't come this way.
and for other guys thank you for showing your support.