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himalayanreview
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Joined: 10 Jul 2006, 15:38 Posts: 2279
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 should Sikkim subject be abolished
lets hear from you all
should Sikkim subject be abolished?
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| 04 Dec 2006, 14:38 |
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daj_bro
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Joined: 20 Aug 2006, 00:10 Posts: 248
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why not? sure
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| 04 Dec 2006, 16:22 |
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tsetenster
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Joined: 22 Oct 2006, 08:44 Posts: 50 Location: currently Delhi,pemanant Gangtok
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no...never!
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| 04 Dec 2006, 21:10 |
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Tenacian
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Joined: 05 Dec 2006, 03:18 Posts: 1 Location: Chicago , IL
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hell no.. I wonder what will happen to the people who r so used to reservations right from college to jobs and promotions. As it is getting a govt job in sikkim is so diffuclt if you are not a tribe or a SC/ST or if you do not have recommendations....now if they have to complete with people who have had to fight for everything ,the un employement would increase ... This would really be a serious problem for people who cannot compete against the people from the plains... who have been used to geting everything easily..who don't want to compete and use their contacts to get the jobs ... I really feel abolishing the subject would be the gravest mistake in the history of Sikkim...
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| 05 Dec 2006, 03:32 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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I dont think it will be justified in abolishing Sikkim Subject. For this is the only identity that we have. But this too have some contradictory frames.
1. To whom the "Subject" is issued?
2. Who actually are "Subjects"?
3. In democracy, what defines the term "Subject"?
4. If there are special provisions in the India Constitution in relation to merger of Sikkim with India, why the provision cannot be kept intact?
5. If the Sikkim State has special status as granted by Indian Constitution, then who is daring to challenge this status & why?
6. If other north-eastern states are enjoying special status & recognition by the Indian Constitution, and not a single person dares to raise the issue, is Sikkim & Sikkimese people only are vulnerable to such uproars?
7. Why the dignity & tranquility of the Sikkimese people are shaken often?
8. Why only the leaders raise the issue, not the common people?
There may arise millions of questions. I think that if the Article 371 (f) of the Indian Constitution grants special status of Sikkim, the same should remain untouched & intact. This should not be the issue for the selfish leaders to ladder to the chair, this should be an issue for all Sikkimese & Sikkimese pride.
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| 05 Dec 2006, 10:07 |
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saran
Joined: 09 Jun 2006, 23:09 Posts: 1514
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Sikkim subject is something very-very important to all of us, not because we get jobs and everything from govt or whatever.. because it's the only identity we have so far that tells everyone that we are sikkimese. We cannot risk or argue about it.. we have to protect it anyhow.  
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| 05 Dec 2006, 15:47 |
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ddx
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Joined: 15 Jul 2006, 17:22 Posts: 349
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nice pics daddy
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| 05 Dec 2006, 19:20 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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Well said daddy, but the laws protecting Art.(371F) could have been enacted much earlier.
We do things much later.
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| 06 Dec 2006, 09:38 |
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Wanderlust
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Joined: 05 Sep 2006, 21:58 Posts: 59 Location: Kolkata, India
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NO AT ALL COST................I absolutely agree with Chalamthangey, inspite of the contradictions this MUST stay, though I am an apparant outsider yet I must say that it should stay. Of all the North Eastern states Sikkim is the most peacefull and it is common knowledge that peace and prosperity goes hand in hand. So, for the sake of the common people of Sikkim this must stay. Through this forum I appeal to all Sikkimese people in Sikkim and outside to build a strong public opinion against the abolition. We the larger public should not be hostage to the whims and fancies of a few
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| 07 Dec 2006, 01:48 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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Many thanks for the suggestion Wanderlust.
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| 07 Dec 2006, 09:11 |
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sangee
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Joined: 08 Jul 2006, 17:46 Posts: 61 Location: sikkim
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hats off to all u guys for ur kind concern for protecting the state........
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| 07 Dec 2006, 09:53 |
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saran
Joined: 09 Jun 2006, 23:09 Posts: 1514
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chalamthangey wrote: Well said daddy, but the laws protecting Art.(371F) could have been enacted much earlier.
We do things much later.
One thing about sikkimese people i don't like is... they are very slow, they don't act according to situation... they delay in understanding the circumstance and results. They often leave it to the govt. Which is not a good idea..
But this 5 dec was totally different scene..
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| 07 Dec 2006, 10:08 |
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10467
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Joined: 22 Nov 2006, 22:53 Posts: 141
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I totally agree with Daddy! The very thought of loosing the skm subject is scary.
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| 07 Dec 2006, 22:14 |
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himalayanreview
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Joined: 10 Jul 2006, 15:38 Posts: 2279
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it all shows that we the people of Sikkim fear being challenged by outer force, we lack competitive thoughts.
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| 10 Dec 2006, 13:28 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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Well, I have heard that CJ is demanding the Kings signature in the Sikkim Establishment Act of 1974, my question is that is there any signature of the Chogyal in the Sikkim Annexation to the Indian Union documents of 1975?
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| 14 Dec 2006, 13:29 |
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himalayanreview
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i too heard that the Chogyal never signed and documents regarding the issue.
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| 14 Dec 2006, 15:43 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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Moreover, it is a matter of grave concern that we talk of protecting old Laws, we organize mass protest rally defying these, but again the lawmakers of Sikkim are commiting grave mistakes.
Frankly speaking, none of the indigenous Sikkimese are successful businessman, none of native Sikkimese are No. 1 Govt. order suppliers, only a few Sikkimese are Class I Contractors, builders, only a few Sikkimese have good businesses, a very few native Sikkimese have luxury cars, none of the indigenous Sikkimese are general merchants and traders, a very few Sikkimese (?) contribute Sikkim Chamber of Commerce any the list goes on.
I have seen outsiders doing petty businesses. The other day, they have their showrooms, who is issuing licence to them and under what ground, do they have Sikkim subject? A big No. When we (Sikkimese) opt for trade licence, we are required to show relevant documents from obtaining NOC from Panchayat level to the Forest Department, UDHD, Health, House owner etc and when when you belong to some other place in Sikkim than you are not given licence easily. But the scenario is different for non-sikkimese, they not at all require anything.
And the old laws are to be protected for whom? Where is the oppertunity left? Why the tenders are always in favour of Bhaiyas because we belong to different political organization? Why our identity is verified by IB when you need trade pass? Why not theirs who is here since only one month back? Does any one have the answer?
I wish a spark of conciousness in every native Sikkimese mind. It is not the time to think, it is time to act.
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| 15 Dec 2006, 11:00 |
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himalayanreview
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Joined: 10 Jul 2006, 15:38 Posts: 2279
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well said sir, its time to ring the conscience mind but at the end there is the ample old folk saying " sutwa jaat". sikkim is a small place and here we have fragments in different communities. SIBLAC... some say GAC, sometimes in tribal seats, here people are busy pulling each one legs so where shall there be time for people to join hand and think together. here opposition needs a small space to speak and ask the government to step down. whats going on here. I SOMETIME FEEL VERY SORRY FOR MY SIKKIM.
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| 15 Dec 2006, 13:35 |
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chalamthangey
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Joined: 14 Oct 2006, 12:33 Posts: 157 Location: Chalamthang
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Absolutely correct. I think it is high time the essentiality for deciphering the "Sutwa Jaat" & "Sutwa Concience". Some sort of Tsunami like ignited minds is much needed.
We are younger generation & the fact is that we do not have that sort of filthy feelings as that of lawmakers & fragmented society leaders but even then we are carried away.
Nazism paved the way for German industrialization, German prosperity. So what do you think?
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| 15 Dec 2006, 13:48 |
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himalayanreview
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Joined: 10 Jul 2006, 15:38 Posts: 2279
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i believe if a heavy earthquake takes tolls of life and create havoc in sikkim, opposition will say the present government is playing with the life of the people of sikkim so they must resign.
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| 15 Dec 2006, 14:06 |
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