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Gorkhaland or Gundaland????
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New Kid
Joined: 27 Nov 2008, 17:38 Posts: 3 |
It is so important for the public to find out what is going in Darjeeling and where the movement is heading. From what I have found out so far, these are the following facts (which I request interested people to challenge anytime) that I would like to place before all of you and let you decide whether the so called quest for a separate state sounds as honest as some of the leaders are proclaiming.
Darjeeling is being held hostage by three previous GNLF gang members, namely Nicole Tamang, Deven Sharma and Dinesh Thing. Nicole and Deven are from ropeway, Singamari. Dinesh is from Patlebas. These three individuals have amongst themselves managed to amass crores of rupees so far so fast already and it would not be unfair to say that Bimal Gurung is totally aware of that fact but keeps quiet for innumerable reasons. These three left over gangsters from the Ghising dynasty control all the contractors in DGHC, PWD as well as the National Highway among other departments. They have hired a bunch of local goons to do their jobs for them and are getting richer by the day. By the time a separate state is formed in Darjeeling, they would have enough wealth and power to continue their mafia type rule exactly like what Ghising did for twenty years. Under the shadow of these three knights of Bimal Gurung here are the following characters that are making lots of kills in the eco system very much like the hyenas of the Kalahari: Pravin Subba from Keerabari looks after the Railway and also PWD and several other departments. Nirmal Subba supervises the Darjeeling Municipality. A notable and much highlighted leader on the making Roshan Giri formerly with AGSU who grew to fame after the Dawa Palzor Drug case where he was awarded with 5 lakhs of rupees for aiding and rescuing the convict. A personality that has zero knowledge about Darjeeling and who obviously sounded like a rickshaw puller while in conversation with the Bengali leaders of Bengal. Dawa Lama is their cashier and handles the transactions. D.K. Pradhan a renowned don of GNLF is seen closely walking and standing alongside Bimal Gurung and their relationship seems to be strengthening every passing day. Please mind you these are all Central Committee members! As for Binoy Tamang, Amar Lama, Taranga Pandit, Isamani Pakhrin, Raju Pradhan and Dr. Harka Bdr. Chhetri, I have begun to doubt their intentions and will further investigate and get to the bottom of their involvement in this grand theft of the people of Darjeeling. Don’t be surprised if they come out as dirty as their comrades because they are as equally aware of what is actually going on inside that office of theirs. If one isn’t a part of the solution he is indeed a part of the problem as someone once said. And so is every single individual from Darjeeling if we let this scam go uninterrupted. It is also a known rumor that GNLF strongmen Tilak Dewan and Lokey Gurung are constantly in touch with them and all ready to come back once again to join in the highway robbery. The scenario in Darjeeling is getting more pathetic by the day. Lawlessness prevails and goons are getting prosperous. And all this even before there is any sign of a separate state. Imagine what it will be like after a state is formed? It will become ten times worse than Bihar, take my word for it. There is no check and balance and nothing and no one to contest or question the more and more authoritative nature of the present leaders in Darjeeling. Are we making way for a dictator like Ghising to come in and make us his slaves one more time? Why aren’t learned individuals from all walks of life participating in the Tripartite meetings and discussions and debates? Is it because the leaders fear that they might not sound as accurate and reasonable in front of them? Or is it because the leaders are as evil as Ghising and believe that they can get away with another 20 years of ravaging the spirit of the people of Darjeeling? Is it not a democratic world that we all live in? The irony is that we are citizens of the largest democracy in the world!! Where are the voices of the public? Are the public just fit to wear “daura suruwal and chowbandi cholo”? Are the public just fit for tagging behind gangsters and their threats? Are the public’s sole purpose to just host cultural programs and sing and dance their time away? If they are so against the State government why aren’t they dissolving the DGHC? Is it because it is a money making machine for the few selected crooks? Why in the world are they calling it a Gandhian type of movement when they are practicing violence towards any critic of theirs. Why was it necessary to thrash down Glenary’s? Why was it necessary to smear people with disgusting black chemicals if they did not want to wear ‘daura suruwal’? What are they doing making children sit for 48 hours of hunger strike? Don’t they know the implications of these disastrous methods? Don’t they want to look different from GNLF? This is the world of the internet and I urge all people who truly have a place in their hearts for our beloved Darjeeling to come out and start inquiring and asking and writing and talking about the movement and voice their arguments and thoughts. We have to make this movement more inclusive and transparent. We cannot be repeating the same kind of mistakes that we earlier did. We have to make this movement a success but not at any cost for what is the point of a struggle if in the end it chops off your own two feet and your tongue? If we don’t then we must be willing to live like slaves for the rest of our lives and not even mention to anyone that we are Nepalis known for their valor and bravery. Let us all help Bimal Gurung continue on his path toward a real successful ending to this quest for Gorkhaland and not let his mind be influenced by greed, lust and pure clean evil that surrounds him everyday by doing something about it before it’s too late. What do you think??? |
| 27 Nov 2008, 17:39 |
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I support gorkahland.. but these greddy people must be tought lession........ bimal gurung's 2010 plan of gorkhaland seems real to me but we can't allow gunddas to takeover queenof hills again.
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| 27 Nov 2008, 17:51 |
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hi welcome, well yes, I am far from current news of Gorkhaland, but deep down I seriously support seeing Gorkhaland dream becoming a reality. Also it is important that Gorkhaland rests in good hands, and Bimal Gurung doesn't forget his dream... otherwise history will never forgive them! as Bimal himself said so.
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| 27 Nov 2008, 17:54 |
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Dedicated Member ![]() Joined: 27 Mar 2007, 12:09 Posts: 400 Location: sikkim |
Only time ll tell . . Someone once quoted that Bimal is bigger Gunda than Gishing . . And i dont understand if he was working under Gishing then what was he doing till this date . . So he is his Chela right . . I had been to Darj there some months ago when Gjmm was just starting and i went shopping out there . . The shop keepers would complain how they are being harassed by their goons . . So ppl killing their own ppl is more of a reality than the gorkha dream . . I suppose . . Enlighten me . . :) .:)
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| 27 Nov 2008, 18:49 |
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its all very transparent..everything happening rite in front of our eyes..like we see it in the movies.
I believe there should be a different type of governing body for Darj..even if Gorkhaland materializes, we will be ruled by greater gundaas of our society.. just a plain thought comes to my mind...why not describe a criteria and make it a rule..by and for the people ...that GL will be ruled by the highest learned people in the region... Lets create a constitution of our own...lets choose the people that we want us to rule.. How easy it seems yet so difficult..But things change..Earlier it was Ghising ..now BG. Tomorrow we may be so enlightened that we might find a real Gandhi..Yes people enlighten urselves!Jai Gorkha! |
| 28 Nov 2008, 12:06 |
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New Kid
Joined: 27 Nov 2008, 17:38 Posts: 3 |
Well what I think is.. in Darjeeling, many youths are unemployed, helpless and they literally have no choice, but to face daily dose of indigence, rejections and powerlessness even if they are well educated and capable of facing the world ahead of them, and it's quite logical about not trusting politicians.. in these times of trouble. But , if I am right, there's hope for people of Darjeeling, to have their own possessions.... so there should be no complains whatsoever at this stage of time, but to join hands and support the current movement.
When Darjeeling becomes Gorkhaland, then give it some time. Reformation takes time, a whole lot of time.. takes ages... it's not the right time to decide who is right and who is wrong, certainly not in current situations. It is so important for the public to find out what is going in Darjeeling and where the movement is heading. From what I have found out so far, these are the following facts (which I request interested people to challenge anytime) that I would like to place before all of you and let you decide whether the so called quest for a separate state sounds as honest as some of the leaders are proclaiming. Darjeeling is being held hostage by three previous GNLF gang members, namely Nicole Tamang, Deven Sharma and Dinesh Thing. Nicole and Deven are from ropeway, Singamari. Dinesh is from Patlebas. These three individuals have amongst themselves managed to amass crores of rupees so far so fast already and it would not be unfair to say that Bimal Gurung is totally aware of that fact but keeps quiet for innumerable reasons. These three left over gangsters from the Ghising dynasty control all the contractors in DGHC, PWD as well as the National Highway among other departments. They have hired a bunch of local goons to do their jobs for them and are getting richer by the day. By the time a separate state is formed in Darjeeling, they would have enough wealth and power to continue their mafia type rule exactly like what Ghising did for twenty years. Under the shadow of these three knights of Bimal Gurung here are the following characters that are making lots of kills in the eco system very much like the hyenas of the Kalahari: Pravin Subba from Keerabari looks after the Railway and also PWD and several other departments. Nirmal Subba supervises the Darjeeling Municipality. A notable and much highlighted leader on the making Roshan Giri formerly with AGSU who grew to fame after the Dawa Palzor Drug case where he was awarded with 5 lakhs of rupees for aiding and rescuing the convict. A personality that has zero knowledge about Darjeeling and who obviously sounded like a rickshaw puller while in conversation with the Bengali leaders of Bengal. Dawa Lama is their cashier and handles the transactions. D.K. Pradhan a renowned don of GNLF is seen closely walking and standing alongside Bimal Gurung and their relationship seems to be strengthening every passing day. Please mind you these are all Central Committee members! As for Binoy Tamang, Amar Lama, Taranga Pandit, Isamani Pakhrin, Raju Pradhan and Dr. Harka Bdr. Chhetri, I have begun to doubt their intentions and will further investigate and get to the bottom of their involvement in this grand theft of the people of Darjeeling. Don’t be surprised if they come out as dirty as their comrades because they are as equally aware of what is actually going on inside that office of theirs. If one isn’t a part of the solution he is indeed a part of the problem as someone once said. And so is every single individual from Darjeeling if we let this scam go uninterrupted. It is also a known rumor that GNLF strongmen Tilak Dewan and Lokey Gurung are constantly in touch with them and all ready to come back once again to join in the highway robbery. The scenario in Darjeeling is getting more pathetic by the day. Lawlessness prevails and goons are getting prosperous. And all this even before there is any sign of a separate state. Imagine what it will be like after a state is formed? It will become ten times worse than Bihar, take my word for it. There is no check and balance and nothing and no one to contest or question the more and more authoritative nature of the present leaders in Darjeeling. Are we making way for a dictator like Ghising to come in and make us his slaves one more time? Why aren’t learned individuals from all walks of life participating in the Tripartite meetings and discussions and debates? Is it because the leaders fear that they might not sound as accurate and reasonable in front of them? Or is it because the leaders are as evil as Ghising and believe that they can get away with another 20 years of ravaging the spirit of the people of Darjeeling? Is it not a democratic world that we all live in? The irony is that we are citizens of the largest democracy in the world!! Where are the voices of the public? Are the public just fit to wear “daura suruwal and chowbandi cholo”? Are the public just fit for tagging behind gangsters and their threats? Are the public’s sole purpose to just host cultural programs and sing and dance their time away? If they are so against the State government why aren’t they dissolving the DGHC? Is it because it is a money making machine for the few selected crooks? Why in the world are they calling it a Gandhian type of movement when they are practicing violence towards any critic of theirs. Why was it necessary to thrash down Glenary’s? Why was it necessary to smear people with disgusting black chemicals if they did not want to wear ‘daura suruwal’? What are they doing making children sit for 48 hours of hunger strike? Don’t they know the implications of these disastrous methods? Don’t they want to look different from GNLF? This is the world of the internet and I urge all people who truly have a place in their hearts for our beloved Darjeeling to come out and start inquiring and asking and writing and talking about the movement and voice their arguments and thoughts. We have to make this movement more inclusive and transparent. We cannot be repeating the same kind of mistakes that we earlier did. We have to make this movement a success but not at any cost for what is the point of a struggle if in the end it chops off your own two feet and your tongue? If we don’t then we must be willing to live like slaves for the rest of our lives and not even mention to anyone that we are Nepalis known for their valor and bravery. Let us all help Bimal Gurung continue on his path toward a real successful ending to this quest for Gorkhaland and not let his mind be influenced by greed, lust and pure clean evil that surrounds him everyday by doing something about it before it’s too late. What do you think??? |
| 28 Nov 2008, 18:59 |
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Active Member Joined: 07 Aug 2008, 21:16 Posts: 20 |
Finally, a real history of Darjeeling's politics. It was very good to read what Oscar had to say. And no...I don't challenge..I totally agree. I wish this piece would make it to all the major newspapers circulated in Darjeeling district and read out loud and clear for the radio listening people in 'kaamaans'. What Darjeeling needs now is an operation similar to Mossad's 'Operation Wrath of God' and 'Operation Spring of Youth' after the 1972 Munich massacre. But it should be titled 'Operation Abo ta sarai bhayo' and 'Operation La kha'!. Seriously, some assasinations will do good. Like treating virus with a potent antidote. Afterall..ailey AIDS ko ta dabai niskisakyo bhaney hami ek dui euta pustey ko zingha harulai maarna sakaudiuna ra? It is possible but 'who dares?' is a big question I guess.
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| 05 Dec 2008, 17:21 |
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Active Member Joined: 21 Jan 2008, 11:46 Posts: 186 |
Oscar..It is indeed good write up on the current issues...rather past issues cos I have seen this same article in many websites, blogs ,forums etc etc.
I hope it's not blog-lifted or scavenged...anyway for ur information same people u have mentioned have been incapacitated by the will of public who are not so dumb thesedays.. Any if ur the author of the same..Thanks for the redundant information! and do post the latest updates on Gorkhaland..cos I believe if u are for truth and veracity ...we would love to hear from you again again after all print media is somewhat biased n illogically reporting these days..Moreover editors of print media are a bit of communist bent minds!gotcha... _________________ Whatevr makes u happy! |
| 11 Dec 2008, 12:53 |
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New Kid
Joined: 27 Nov 2008, 17:38 Posts: 3 |
Hey insomniacreturns, I myself have posted the same article that I had written in whatever blog and discussion forums that I could find. I want people to read it and think about it deeply. Gorkhaland is precious to me and I would hate to see it go down the drain one more time and allow goons to rule us again. The newspapers would never print what I have written for fear of retaliation and it seems this is the only way I can get the story out. What I want people to do is whether they believe it or not they should try and at least find out the truth and they won't even have a tough time getting to the bottom of it for it's a conspiracy of a few bad men and I wonder how long this is going to remain a secret.
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| 12 Dec 2008, 16:17 |
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Active Member Joined: 21 Jan 2008, 11:46 Posts: 186 |
Anyway ..Oscar End should justify the means..Lets c same so called goons delivers or not what is so precious to people/ amm janta.
I hope ur above mentioned "a few bad men" quote Quote: What I want people to do is whether they believe it or not they should try and at least find out the truth and they won't even have a tough time getting to the bottom of it for it's a conspiracy of a few bad men and I wonder how long this is going to remain a secret. Same egg-chiken story sud not be repeated! _________________ Whatevr makes u happy! |
| 12 Dec 2008, 16:33 |
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i honestly loved the writting, but it seems people fighting for gorkhaland are thtmselves fighting over small issues, rather then focusing their head on the big issue itself... do we ever give a person a chance?
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| 12 Dec 2008, 19:36 |
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We gorkha people are not fighting for a small issue we are fighting for our own identity,which is a bigger issue for us.We have given so much to India but they can't even give us a state.This is first time in History that we gorkha people are asking something from India Govt.Till now we have sacrificed so much for Mother India and in return what are we getting ha ?.....
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| 17 Dec 2008, 17:36 |
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NOW YOUR WAR IS OVER. Statehood activists may be reminded that most statehood demands are more emotional than logical. Stay with your emotions bcause your demand is not logical and ground realities are not properly investigated.
· ONLY LOGICAL SOLUTION IS : Giving Darjeeiing back to Sikkim, it would restore the historical unity of this region. Old Sikkim was the land of the Bhutias and Lepchas; the future Sikim would be a Nepali-dominated state of the Indian Union, which would respond to the frustrations of the Nepalis of India and defuse today’s tensions. · If Darjeeling and Sikkim were to be united, as they were in the past, it would create a Nepali-majority state that has economic clout, with culture to match. The historical partitioning was hardly strategic and had to do with the British need for a sanatorium in the hills. On the other hand, Darjeeling and Sikkim share the same history and geography, and today they also share the same language and ethnicities.Darjeeling, would provide the economic and cultural backbone of the new state to a degree that is out of the reach of present-day Sikkim. Once they are assured of an honourable home in the Indian Union, the Indian Nepalis, who are culturally sophisticated, will immediately undergo a cultural resurgence |
| 18 Dec 2008, 19:30 |
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Active Member Joined: 04 Feb 2007, 19:34 Posts: 54 Location: Saudi Arabia |
I support gorkahland !!! because we all are nepali
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| 08 Jan 2009, 18:10 |
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Active Member Joined: 21 Jan 2008, 11:46 Posts: 186 |
@ Anand
Its not gud idea to point out our contributions for Country...Especially in the names of Soldiers n Martyrs...If somebody ask about or doubts our integrity..Then YES we can rattle with answers...But for me I don't find it necessary to make names of Martyrs who fought for Independent India begging bowl for statehood. GOI recognizes the contribution of Gorkhas and so the people of India. _________________ Whatevr makes u happy! |
| 13 Jan 2009, 10:49 |
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Active Member Joined: 15 Apr 2008, 12:45 Posts: 76 |
I agree with insomniacreturns and the first half of what unregistered guest said
"NOW YOUR WAR IS OVER. Statehood activists may be reminded that most statehood demands are more emotional than logical. Stay with your emotions bcause your demand is not logical and ground realities are not properly investigated." I don't mind if Gorkhaland comes to existence... but please i (personally) don't want Darj to be a part of Sikkim (no hard feeling please). REASON being : Nepalis' in Darj are one who slays, betrays and terrorize Nepali. They block the national highway, strike is like changing cloths which happens everyday, and we all know the most affected ppl are the Sikkimese (we are not in the agitation nor are we fighting for statehood but instead we support the moment but we suffer the most) why ? general public in Darj, kpg... suffer bcuz of these stupid act. And the ppl who should be really affected are not even in the picture(WB govt). Sikkim is in the developing phase and i don't think it will help if Darj is given back. Darj was and still is a place where great ppl are born, learned, educated, literate, ppl who can change the course of the moment that's going on, all they need is the courage to dare to face the leaders like Gishing, Gurung... and others. But lets understand what exactly Gorkhaland means? Does staying in Gorkhaland makes us true Grokhas? if so, what about those living else where ? Is it guaranteed that Gorkhland will not be like Darj right now, cuz ppl will be the same, leaders the same and the mentality the same only the name of the State changes. And important thing, does Darj have what it needs to be a state? now don't say Sikkim is a state, Darj is bigger, more ppl... cuz Sikkim joined India as a State and it has a treaty with India to secure its rights. Therefore, don't blame leaders for something that general ppl did. If it wasn't for ppl, leaders would not have existed. I would not be less happier then the ppl of Darj if Gorkhaland is formed. But right now ppl there, are the enemy of their own. Ppl now hardly say they want Gorkhaland instead they says PEACE, better EDUCATION, better FACILITY, ... etc @ Anand: Gorkha Regiment is in India, Nepal, UK,... and they had a freedom fighter else where, that does not mean we can go to either country and ask for our land. Please correct me if i am wrong, i'm always open for the feedback. Jai Hind, Jai Gorkha. |
| 14 Jan 2009, 05:12 |
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Active Member Joined: 30 Mar 2007, 10:46 Posts: 177 Location: Gangtok |
Last year, three of my friends got beat up by around 30 people in kalimpong...reason??because those 'gundas' were drunk and my friends were from Sikkim...
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| 19 Jan 2009, 21:02 |
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Rentzen wrote: Last year, three of my friends got beat up by around 30 people in kalimpong...reason??because those 'gundas' were drunk and my friends were from Sikkim... Last to last to last year my 4 friends ....were in Rangpo thana after the SMIT rumble for a whole night n 1/2 day..Police misbehaved with them...Reasons ??? because those guys were from above said Gundaland !
Real reason u wanna know: because the egos of two 2nd yr guys were hurt..Roland n karma Namgyal(both frm Gangtok n Pakyng)..despite beign aggressive n muscular got beaten up publicly by non-locals(chiefly consisting of Biharis)..How shameful it was.. Ask them who all came to their rescue..sissy guys or the guys with real guts.. Another incident: A year prior to above said year..A guy from Sikkim, Passang Bhai who started fight in jadavpur campus basketball court ...getting mutilated by local bengali students who were in above number 50's./..Who came to rescue..his friends..? no...A guy fought not just with 30s but against more than 50 pple till last without caring for his life...till the arrival of dressed security guards luckly..Dont ask me where that guy from?... PS:Rentzen: u sud not confuse with what u have in mind and what u want to write n potray or convey..It is needless to say such things which spreads bitterness n which do not have much veracity!... Instead get placed from college campussing ..come out of state for some years , work for some multinational company, meet good -liberal-knowledgable people, earn undying reputaions n rewards..Make ur self proud man n consequently make Sikkim Proud! What say? _________________ Whatevr makes u happy! |
| 20 Jan 2009, 00:35 |
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sam_sikkim wrote: I support gorkahland !!! because we all are nepali @ Sam_Sikkim: This not just fight of Nepali people..in fact u can say it is fight of all people from Hills whose lingua-franca is nepali... u should wonder why Sikkimese origin bhutias living in kalimpong-algara n pedong..Lepchas of remote villages of Kalimpong n Darj etc..Dukpas, tibetean from Darj..high altiude pasture bodering Nepal....etc even Muslims n local Biharis ,local bengalis have supported through thick n thin ,,,and some youths from same other community joined volunteer force called GLP.. I dont think its not just fight for identity..its also for emancipation of Hill community alike...for the all Socio-political development..for the safeguard of various cultures n tradition n literature which used to flourish there some decades ago..it's fight for unemployment,infrastructures,ailing tea gardens and right to revenue it brings in crores beyond ur imagination ...Fight against the political conspiracies done by opportunistic Hill and Plain leaders who fool ingenuous hill peple..It's fight against despair creeping in the minds of talented youth..Its fight against Kolkata centrism and communism(real hypocrisy )... Say fight for all round development.. and remember all round strong development in real sense can be brought and implemented by self -determination which is Statehood aka Gorkhaland.. PS: I don't support any political parties , any Bimal gurungs, Thukchus, ghishings,Bomzons,Biraj Adhikaris,Chamlings ,Bhandaris, kaleons,AD subbas etc etc..but I really support the idea of Gorkhaland , a separate state..gege! My take on merger: Merger of Sikkim and Darjeeling is now not a good idea despite Darj being part of Sikkim in past and sharing same history at point of some time in past! lastly supporting a cause! apart from Gorkhaland I support a cause for which Pawo Thupten Ngodup died...free Tibet....i also support ACT(Affected Citizens of Teesta) and the hunger strike by them for the protection of Dzongu. I support eco-tourism...green-peace corps..drive against global warming....drive against plastics...Organic farming..football n footballers in Hills..and many others...Sam will ya join me?..gege _________________ Whatevr makes u happy! |
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